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Why #Vodafone sucks and mobile carriers will lose in banking

We see the media regularly slagging off bank customer service as terrible.  Bank complaints are soaring, and branch closures are regularly reported as a disgrace.

But this is where the media gets it wrong.

First, bank customer service is second to none compared to other industries and, second, banks don’t need branches to provide service.  As banks consistently move to digitalisation, the role of the branch is changing.  Historically, they had to be in every community to enable transaction services but those transaction services are now online, so they are becoming sales centres, and you don’t need a sales centre in every village.

But here’s where it gets interesting as face-to-face is where the rubber hits the road.

I discovered this recently in dealing with an issue with my mobile carrier, Vodafone, and my friends hate it when I use the blog to have a rant against bad customer service but hey, it’s my blog.  So, here’s the low-down and, if you don’t like a whinger, please read no more.

Just before Christmas my iPhone 5S died.  It stuttered for a while, and then died. I thought it was the battery but it wasn’t.  It’s a hardware fault, as I found out, and it was dead.

I rang Vodafone and discovered there was a 25 minute wait for service but, usefully, they have this feature where you can ask them to call back when you’re front of queue, so I tapped that.

When I finally got a call back half an hour later, the call centre guy listened to my problem and said: “ah, first you have to go to Apple. They will fix it.”

“OK”, I say, “but the last time I went to the Genius Bar to get a fix they asked me to show a ‘proof of purchase’, can you send me one?”

“No”, he says.  “You have to do that online.”

“OK”, I say. “No problemo.”

Ah, there is a problemo.

My account only shows my billing details for calls online, not my order for an iPhone 5S a year ago.  So I call back and get the usual half an hour wait for a call-back.  When it comes, it’s disappointing as they cannot issue the proof of purchase.  They suggest I engage with their online chat to get it, which I duly do.

That conversation is shown below and note, even that service takes minutes to get a response:

Copy of your recent chat with Vodafone online chat service team.

General Info

Chat start time

 Dec 18, 2014 9:47:23 AM EST

Chat end time

 Dec 18, 2014 10:02:38 AM EST

Duration (actual chatting time)





Chat Transcript

info: Welcome to Vodafone!   You will now be connected with a service adviser. Your approximate wait time is 13 minute(s) and  9 seconds. .    We’re looking forward to assisting you today.  
info: Thanks for your patience – your approximate wait time is 7 minute(s) and  32 seconds.
info: Thanks for your patience – your approximate wait time is 6 minute(s) and  15 seconds.
info: Thanks for your patience – your approximate wait time is 2 minute(s) and  51 seconds.
info: Thanks for your patience – your approximate wait time is 0 minute(s) and  43 seconds.
info: You are now connected with Tom .
Tom : Hello, you're chatting with Tom , one of Vodafone's online customer service specialists. How may I help you today?
Chris Skinner: I need an email of proof of purchase for my Vodafone iPhone
Chris Skinner: I need an email of proof of purchase for my Vodafone iPhone
Tom : I will surely look into it for you.
Chris Skinner: I called and they told me I had to use the live chat to get this
Tom : Is it possible for you to send an authorisation letter on the company letter head in PDF format authorising you on the account to get proof of purchase? It has to be signed by the directors or managers.
Chris Skinner: That takes too long – my iPhone is broken and Apple will not repair without proof of purchase
Chris Skinner: I logged in and cannot get it
Chris Skinner: I called and cannot get it
Chris Skinner: and now you want to add a week for mailings to get a proof of purchase????????
Tom : Chris, I am ready to provide it; however, we want appropriate details to verify the account and assist you.
Chris Skinner: What details?
Chris Skinner: Not a PDF
Chris Skinner: Ask me any question
Chris Skinner: Phone battery has broken
Chris Skinner: Apple will not repair without proof of purchase
Tom : Chris, your account is a company account. We require your authorisation on the account. Please send a letter authorising you on the account on my manager's email address and I will get it done for you.

I gave up.

So I went to the Apple Store and found they couldn’t book me into the Genius Bar until after Christmas, so I left it until the New Year to make the journey to the Genius Bar.

As it turned out, when I did get a Genius Bar appointment, they didn’t need a proof of purchase.  However, the bad news was that the phone was dead due to a likely hardware fault and, as the phone was over a year old, they advised me to go back to Vodafone who would replace or repair the phone as, under EU Consumer Law, they are liable for a phone with a hardware fault for two years from sale as the retailer (in fact, under UK Law, it’s six years).

In fact, it must be something that happens fairly often to these devices as the helpful Genius Bar staffer gave me a leaflet that made it quite clear that Vodafone was liable for repair or replacement under EU law, along with a diagnosis that this is a hardware fault that would be covered under such a ruling.

Apple EU law leaflet1

So I go to the Vodafone shop near the Apple Store and the manager says: “yes, no problem, we will replace your telephone … but all of our systems are down right now so can you come back later?”

Jeez … no mobile through all of Christmas and New Year, and the saga continues.

I return the next day and go to a different Vodafone store.

“Ah … I’m not  sure we would replace it, but I’ll have a look”.

After a while, the assistant returns and says they have no iPhone 5S 64Gb mobiles in stock but the store 1 kilometre away in Bond Street does, and ask for Istvan or Saquib who will deal with the issue.

I make my way to the Bond Street Store and explain the situation to Istvan.  He says they don’t repair or replace, but he’ll check.   

Istvan swaps over the Saquib who says they used to repair Apple phones but don’t anymore and they won’t replace either.   I show him the document that Apple gave me that explains, under EU consumer law, Vodafone is liable for the issue.  He says they’re not and that’s the end of it. Oh no it isn’t.

I start a sit-in the store by calling 191 and waiting the half an hour to get hold of Vodafone customer support, whilst Saquib and Istvan skulked around giving me dirty looks.  I guess they don't like argumentative customers who have an issue with a broken phone that, under EU law, they are accountable to repair or replace.

Vodafone store1

I then engage in three more conversations with Vodafone customer support, Vodafone technical support (a third party company) and Vodafone escalated customer services, each time telling them the unfolding story of disaster.  This has now taken me 75 minutes of waiting and talking with Vodafone HQ in the Vodafone Bond Street store, as the staff in store cannot answer the question satisfactorily.  I finally get hold of Kirsty at HQ, who tells me they will honour a replacement telephone as the other store had told me they would provide one and to put Saquib on the line.

Saquib sees me walking over waving my mobile for him to talk to Head Office, and immediately waves his hands in a “no, I’m not dealing with them” manner and runs away to hide in his closed office downstairs.


I explain to Kirsty that their employee, Saquib, will not talk to her or his management.  She then tells me that  her manager has pointed out that Apple products only have a 12 month warranty under the Vodafone terms and conditions, unlike most other handsets that have a 24 month warranty, and that it is therefore not covered for repair or replacement.  In other words, you have a dead phone, it's your dead phone and we're no longer having anything to do with it.  It is a £650 piece of junk.

This is not the first time I’ve had hardware faults with Apple – I recently had to pay out heavily to get the screen board replaced on my 24 month old Mac – but I was shocked by this whole affair:

  1. Apple’s technologies are full of known bugs and faults (this phone issue is regularly googled, as was my Mac issue);
  2. Apple knowingly only cover their phones for 12 months but pass the buck to the retailers by making it clear that their phones are not covered after 12 months by Apple  but, under EU law, should be covered by the retailer, in this case, Vodafone;
  3. Retailers like Vodafone and Carphone Warehouse explicitly exclude Apple from 24 months warranty for this reason; and
  4. I’m now stuck with £650 brick that is useless, and will only be exchanged for £199 payment to Apple (more rip-off from my wallet).

And, in all of this, the most unimpressive thing is that you spend ten years as a customer of Vodafone thinking their service is expensive but just about acceptable until the one day you have a problem.  You then have to engage with their human customer services, rather than the self-servicing you’ve been used to for the last ten years, and find it so appalling that you immediately want to jump off a cliff rather than deal with them ever again.

I did spend another hour trying to get a PAC code to change to O2, only to find Vodafone saying they would stiff me for a further £350 to break the contract, which has 11 months to run.  I declined and will be their reluctant customer for the next 11 months but, in a cunning plan, I call them every day and ask them to call me back and then hang up when they do.  Just my way of getting a little shaudenfraude revenge.

Oh, and I recount this story mainly because it is markedly different to my experience in banking.  When I deal with my bank, 95 times out of 100, their staff will go an extra mile to try and help, rather than pass the buck or ignore the customer in store, as Saquib at Vodafone did with me.

In fact, when the problems hit is when any service organisation should go the extra mile, as that’s when the rubber hits the road.  Whilst the customer is quietly self-servicing and needs no support, then they’re happy.  When the customer is asking for help is when the company should be immediately accessible, responsive and flexible.

This last paragraph is why I’m really posting this on the blog, as banks generally try to be the latter: a useful service agency when customers encounter issues they cannot resolve themselves.  I am amazed at just how bad Vodafone was when it came to needing help as, if anything, they ignore the customer as evidenced by the minutes of waiting due to an understaffed service channel and a branch network full of people who don’t like dealing with customer problems, only sales. 

Therefore, after ten years I will be terminating the contract with this appalling company in November, when the contract comes to an end, but feel that it is pointless in many ways as all providers are the same … or are they?

Any views or advice welcome.


About Chris M Skinner

Chris M Skinner
Chris Skinner is best known as an independent commentator on the financial markets through his blog, the Finanser.com, as author of the bestselling book Digital Bank, and Chair of the European networking forum the Financial Services Club. He has been voted one of the most influential people in banking by The Financial Brand (as well as one of the best blogs), a FinTech Titan (Next Bank), one of the Fintech Leaders you need to follow (City AM, Deluxe and Jax Finance), as well as one of the Top 40 most influential people in financial technology by the Wall Street Journal’s Financial News. To learn more click here...

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  • Watch now as the marketing/rescue calls roll as you’re trying to switch provider, suddenly they have all the time in the world for you!

  • Ramachandran

    You are the very epitome of patience (or should I say persistence!). To an extent, I would tend to agree with you.

  • Craig Johnson

    Chris – I am by no means an expert in this arena, but it might be worth dropping a note to the Ombudsman or Ofcom etc. And mention a) That you can’t simply choose to opt out of EU Consumer protection law b) The multiple inconsistencies and broken promises dealing with Voda – Yes we’ll replace, can we replace, should we replace, yes we’ll replace….no we won’t replace.

  • I’ve experienced similar problems with Rogers here in Canada. Their Cable TV and Cellular services are horrible. Many of the same issues. I have a iphone6 and I worry about the day it breaks down and having to deal with Rogers . Agree with your point about banks, service tends to be quite good compared to the Telco industry where customers are a necessary evil.

  • Mark Payne

    I had a similar nightmare experience with BT.
    I eventually got hold of the CEO’s email address and sent him a note.
    The problem was resolved 24 hours later.
    I’d suggest you take a similar approach, if only to get your money back if nothing else.
    As an aside, I found the Vodafone team at the store in Basingstoke to be really helpful. However their central systems are a joke.

  • Rick huckstep

    Chris, this a great piece and your point is well made. I recently had a problem with a bank and found the customer experience to be first class in resolving it. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised at the in-branch experience where the staff were friendly and went out of their way to help me resolve an issue that has been causing me irritation. (The bank was LBG).
    Can’t say that I have had the same experience dealing with telcos. Like most people, I have my own long list of stories dealing with BT and their fragmented and disjointed customer service.

  • Aleks

    Customer service standards is an industry variable thing. Given the different pressures, (regulatory, competition, shareholders etc) this is perhaps to be expected.
    My view is that individual expectations of customer service are increasingly set by the best experience which often results in disappointment however!
    btw in our experience Vodafone business (a former supplier) are a model of customer service in comparison to EE – who can’t even deal with a formal letter of complaint to the CEO well – so don’t go there!

  • Paul Bevan

    Chris, your story is unfortunately all too common. My daughter has just been through a saga with EE which resulted in her being phoneless for 3 weeks. Their call centre and store staff have got the “pass the problem to someone else” routine down to a fine art. Either that, or they lied about what they were doing to fix the problem. EE’s reputation is so bad that there is a website dedicated to helping people get to the CEO and Head of Customer Services. Spookily, 24 hours after mailing the Head of Customer Services, the connectivity issue was fixed! In comparison NatWest is a paragon of Customer Service Excellence…and that is saying something!!

  • John

    That waiver is probably in a contract of adherence that the courts would be unlikely to enforce against a retail customer but Chris you are a firm in this case so you are likely assumed to have taken legal advice and accepted the contract or to have knowingly or recklessly accepted it anyway.
    If you want consumer protection don’t be a trade buyer.

  • Geert Van der Elst

    Chris, let’s just say that I moved from Vodafone to O2 about 12 months ago and will switch back (I buy my own phones I should add) for equivalent reasons, only somewhat worse. Expect worse with O2 (based on my, admittedly anecdotal, experience).
    Don’t keep us up to date on this in your column because you’ll be writing something equivalent in about 12 months.
    There’s plenty of interesting things to say about banks, so let’s keep it at that (and btw, congrats on making this column so interesting and fresh every time).

  • Chris,
    But will you also ditch Apple in favour of a more reliable phone manufacturer that offers a better warranty?

  • David Morgan

    Picking up on Paul’s point above: clearly, Vodafone handled the case atrociously, but they were placed in a bad situation by Apple’s apparent non-compliance with EU/UK law. Somewhat amazing that Apple has been able to get away with this, isn’t it? A quick web search indicates that the company has already been successfully sued (see http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/eu-law-forces-apple-highlight-two-year-warranty-3348755/), so this might be worth following up, Chris, before throwing your ‘£650 piece of junk’ away.

  • Michael

    After years as a Vodafone customer I’m just about to dump them…here’s the story, I’m on the $45 per month infinite plan.This plan provides only 1.5 GB of data. it does not provide 300 minutes of standard overseas calls.
    The current red $50 plan advertised on the Vodafone webpage provides 300 minutes of standard overseas calls and 3 GB of data additionally as a special offer available until the 9th of April there is a further discount of $5 and an additional 1 GB of data making the final offer available at $45 per month with 300 minutes of standard overseas calls and 4 GB of data.
    I called Vodafone and asked to switch to the new advertised $50 red plan which provides much more than my current plan. I spoke to a young lady by the name of Sara at the call center in Hobart. Sara was well spoken and tried to help however she advised the the offer on the Vodafone web page is available to new customers only and not available for existing customers. This seemed unreasonable and unfair from a company which has faced lots of customer criticism and displeasure in the past. Interestingly in the Age today 31 March there is an article in which Vodafone states “Vodafone Australia vows to reverse ‘Vodafail’ by the end of 2015” It is obvious that Vodafone has no clue about retention marketing and keeping existing customers happy but rather is simply focused on acquisition marketing sucking in more new customers by new offers which are NOT available to existing customers. Once they attract new customers it seems Vodafone relegates them to a category different to one reserved for potential customers. Anyway Sara advised that she needs to obtain authorization from a supervisor before she can extend the same offer available on the Vodafone webpage to me. After a long wait Sara advised me that Phoebe the supervisor will NOT honor the $50 red package and confirmed that the offer is available only to new customers. I then asked Sara to speak to Phoebe again and point out that her position is not logical or good business, this she did and again confirmed NO can do. I then asked if I can cancel my existing plan and resign on the $50 red plan, after some hesitation Sara said that there are two departments involved in this process and that I would lose my existing number if I attempted this! at this stage I was defeated and gave up. I’m now looking at plans with other providers and so is my partner who is in the same situation with Vodafone
    Once again EPIC FAIL by Vodafone.

  • k4lps

    Account number 7015961969 – went over to Vodafone from O2 (biggest mistake ever), took them 1 week to activate my sim card, then once my number was ported my data wouldn’t work. I have not had data on my sim for over 48 hours and when I spoke to their support in Egypt / India / South Africa / UK I received different answers from different customer “service” operatives for example India told me my data has been barred, Egypt were the best they told me to wait up to 7 days for the data to be turned on, South Africa – well they just hung up on me and UK – it’s impossible to get through to their flying start department as they’re having connection issues and the call drops out or goes to billing to you just end up waiting and waiting and nothing get’s done. I have written an email to the CEO office (search vodafone write to CEO on google to do the same) as I’ve had enough. I’ve spent 6 hours on the phone with Vodafone and they are refusing to give me my PAC code – they keep telling me there is an order on my account – god knows what this means and they refuse to help me with this. I have legal recordings (which the operatives agreed to) and I will be posting these on youtube shortly so other customers can listen to the incompetence of the operatives. MOST IMPORTANT 3 TECHNICAL SERVICE PERSONNEL IN EGYPT TOLD ME THAT VODAFONE IT SYSTEMS WERE IN MELTDOWN SINCE THEY UPGRADED THEIR SYSTEMS A FEW WEEKS AGO – THEY ACTUALLY TOLD ME THAT THEY CURRENTLY DID NOT HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS THAT CUSTOMERS ARE FACING.

  • we run a customer service number for Vodafone at http://vodafonecontactnumber.co.uk you will see there that the avarage duration for a phone call is 8.4 minutes which compared with some other providers is alot better but still most of this is spent trying to get through the phone systems ivr menu. whatever you do just dont call from 4pm onwards get in at 10:30 – 12 best time to call

  • Chris Skinner

    Why don’t you hire more staff and give a decent level of service, cost suckers.

  • Groucho

    I have just discovered how bad Vodafone is, trying to help our daughter.If you look at the Trust Pilot site for Vodafone UK, you will see that we are not alone.How do you deal with a company that does not want to deal with its customers? We have sent a letter by recorded delivery explaining we can do no more, if they will not sort our problem. I have never come across anything like this before in my life, (fortunately), but that is no help to our daughter.

  • Simon Roberts

    Hi guys – sorry haven’t got time to read all these comments – I’m currently on hold with our friends at Vodafone for the 20th time trying to correct their mistakes! Beware – they have apparently moved everyone’s account details from one CRM system to another and a lot of customers have fallen in the cracks between on the data transfer. I can’t access my account on-line as I’m depicted as Mr. Anonymous and neither my phone or that of my wife is associated to my log-in details. My direct debit (unchanged for 15+ years) has been thrown out of their database resulting in them suspending my account (not cool as it happened whilst abroad on a business trip). I’ve made so many calls to them but nothing is being resolved. In fact their now sending bills to my wife’s phone even though I’m the account holder – I’m no lawyer but I believe this is against the Data Protection Act. I’ve been issued with 3 different amounts that are outstanding even though I made a payment via their automated system – that payment doesn’t correspond to what they say is still outstanding!